Looking for Parents/birth info of James NUGENT b. 1860, wife Jane McGOVERN--her parents info:
Thomas McGovern b. 1830, Margaret McCORMICK b. 1834 (approx) married 05 Mar 1867 Kitubbrid, Drumshanbo-parent info of either!!
And what are good resources for 1830s and earlier?
Also-Parents/birth info Peter McCARTIN 1878 in Ireland and info for wife Mary McCUE (McHUGH?). Mary died before 1920 of influenza. McCartins also lived in Glasgow Scotland 4 yrs? 1904-1908? Three children-Mary Anne, Peter Jr & James.
Thanks for your help and glad to have discovered this site!!
Nugent, McGovern, McCartin, McCue-Kiltubbrid, Mohrengregg
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Karen Elias
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I have some information about the Leitrim Nugents.
I descend from Cornelius Scollin and Mary Nugent from near Drumshanbo. We know nothing about Cornelius except for his name on two death certificates. We know that his wife Mary Nugent Scollin died in Ireland in January of 1848. Their daughter Mary Scollin died in Ireland in October of 1847, Another child Constantine died in 1865 but we do not know where.
At least three of their children, Henry, Catherine and Margaret, emigrated to Danbury/Redding Connecticut between 1848 and 1850. They were all born in the 1820s.
I have been collecting Scollin/Scollan/Scollen/Scollon and Nugent information from County Leitrim to try and figure out which families I descend from.
Here is what I have and don't have.
I do not have information about the Nugents in Leitrim from the Tithe Applotment of 1833 or so. I do have that information for the Scollins.
I have information from Griffiths Survey from 1856/7.
If you check the Leitrim parish maps on this site, it will help you see how close three of the townlands are to Drumshanbo and each other.
jPatrick Nugent was living in Mullanaleck, Rosclogher, Rossinver. This is in Northern County Leitrim and not of interest to me.
James and Patrick Nugent were in Cormongan, Kiltoghert Parish. This is just a bit to the north of Drumshanbo.
Edward and Peter Nugent were in Aghagrania, Kiltoghert Parish. If you go east from Drumshanbo, Aghagrania is on the Kiltoghert/Kiltubbrid border.
Henry Nugent was in Aghakilbrack, KIltubbrid Parish. This is just a few townlands away from Aghagrania. It is right next to Bunrevagh where there were Scollan families in both Tithe and Griffiths. The distances among all of last three townlands can't be more than a mile or two. I would bet that all of the families are connected.
That's all there were.
www.ireland.com lists marriages from the Leitrim Genealogy Centre. These are definitely not all of the marriages but it's a start.
James Nugent Ellen MacGarry 1831
James Nughet Mary Heany 1837
Henry Nugent Bridget Flynn 1847
Mary Nugent Martin Higgins 1858
Bridget Nugent Laurence Gibbons 1858
Catherine Nugent Matthew Barry 1868
Rosann Nugent Michael Murray 1876
Catherine Nugent Hugh Prior 1890
Bridget Nugent Peter MacPartlan 1891
James Nugent Jane McGovern 1895
Patrick Nugent Mary Geelan 1897/1 ?
Anna Nugent Mathew Donnelly 1898
I wonder if the Henry who married Bridget Flynn in 1847 is the Henry living in Aghakilbrack in Griffiths.
Michael Murray and Rosann Nugent lived in Cormongan. Her father was James abt 1798-1879, She had a sister Mary who married a Flynn. There was an Andrew Nugent mentioned in a will in 1819 living in Gub Cormongan..that's all the information there was.
Mathew Donnelly and Hanagh (Anna) were in Aghakilbrack in 1901 census. Your James and Jane were in Aghakilbrack in 1901 too so Anna/Hanagh is probably his sister.
Now the Latter Day Saints IGI lists the following Nugent births:
Peter Nugent and Rose Gallagher (they were from Aghagrania and she was a widow in 1901)
Mary Anne 1865
Anne 1867
Rose 1870
Catherine 1872
Patrick 1876
Catherine and Patrick were living with the widow Rose in 1901.
Edward Nugent and Mary Mulvy. I believe this family was
also from Aghagrania. Mary, a widow, was living with her son Francis and his familyin 1901.
Francis 1864
Bridget 1868
Hannah 1871
Thomas Nugent and Margaret McRann
James Joseph 1872
Margaret 1873
I do not know which townland.
Patrick Nugent and Honor Campbell
Elizabeth 1869
Ellen 1871
Joseph 1873
Don't know the townland.
James Nugent and Ellen Conroy
Henry 1866
Don't know the townland.
One thing to remember with these records. The church records for Drumshanbo don't start until about 1864 or so. Any records from before that would be from another church, quite probably one of the churches in Kiltubbrid.
www.ireland.com also lists some baptisms for Nugents. This only shows the first name and year. The first one was in 1849. They do show Neugent: Henry in 1896 and Thomas Patrick in 1898 (both from Aghakilbrack).
One more Nugent mention...a Margaret Nugent was a sponsor for Mathew Doyle born in 1839 to Andrew Doyle and Mary Scollin of Corrachoosaun townland. This birth was recorded in Fenagh parish church records. The Doyles lilved on both sides of the Kiltubbrid/Fenagh parish border not too far from Aghakilbrack. This was interesting to me because this Andrew Doyle and his daughter Mary born in 1841 also emigrated to Danbury Connecticut during the famine years. He remarried a few years later. Mary married a Francis Scollin from, of course, County Leitrim.
Finally, there is a Nugent tombstone in the Drumshanbo cemetery:
Patrick Nugent died 1934 age 59
His wife, Bridget O'Brien d. 1955 age 81
son Patrick J. d 1921 age 12
Bridget Rose d 1990
Thomas John d. 1990
Peter d. 1987
I think this family is from Aghagrania.
And in 1901 a John Nugent age 37 was a stone mason living as a boarder in Carrick on Shannon.
I hope that some of this information will help you track down your family. If you should uncover any additional informaton, I'd be interested in whatever you find.
Karen
I descend from Cornelius Scollin and Mary Nugent from near Drumshanbo. We know nothing about Cornelius except for his name on two death certificates. We know that his wife Mary Nugent Scollin died in Ireland in January of 1848. Their daughter Mary Scollin died in Ireland in October of 1847, Another child Constantine died in 1865 but we do not know where.
At least three of their children, Henry, Catherine and Margaret, emigrated to Danbury/Redding Connecticut between 1848 and 1850. They were all born in the 1820s.
I have been collecting Scollin/Scollan/Scollen/Scollon and Nugent information from County Leitrim to try and figure out which families I descend from.
Here is what I have and don't have.
I do not have information about the Nugents in Leitrim from the Tithe Applotment of 1833 or so. I do have that information for the Scollins.
I have information from Griffiths Survey from 1856/7.
If you check the Leitrim parish maps on this site, it will help you see how close three of the townlands are to Drumshanbo and each other.
jPatrick Nugent was living in Mullanaleck, Rosclogher, Rossinver. This is in Northern County Leitrim and not of interest to me.
James and Patrick Nugent were in Cormongan, Kiltoghert Parish. This is just a bit to the north of Drumshanbo.
Edward and Peter Nugent were in Aghagrania, Kiltoghert Parish. If you go east from Drumshanbo, Aghagrania is on the Kiltoghert/Kiltubbrid border.
Henry Nugent was in Aghakilbrack, KIltubbrid Parish. This is just a few townlands away from Aghagrania. It is right next to Bunrevagh where there were Scollan families in both Tithe and Griffiths. The distances among all of last three townlands can't be more than a mile or two. I would bet that all of the families are connected.
That's all there were.
www.ireland.com lists marriages from the Leitrim Genealogy Centre. These are definitely not all of the marriages but it's a start.
James Nugent Ellen MacGarry 1831
James Nughet Mary Heany 1837
Henry Nugent Bridget Flynn 1847
Mary Nugent Martin Higgins 1858
Bridget Nugent Laurence Gibbons 1858
Catherine Nugent Matthew Barry 1868
Rosann Nugent Michael Murray 1876
Catherine Nugent Hugh Prior 1890
Bridget Nugent Peter MacPartlan 1891
James Nugent Jane McGovern 1895
Patrick Nugent Mary Geelan 1897/1 ?
Anna Nugent Mathew Donnelly 1898
I wonder if the Henry who married Bridget Flynn in 1847 is the Henry living in Aghakilbrack in Griffiths.
Michael Murray and Rosann Nugent lived in Cormongan. Her father was James abt 1798-1879, She had a sister Mary who married a Flynn. There was an Andrew Nugent mentioned in a will in 1819 living in Gub Cormongan..that's all the information there was.
Mathew Donnelly and Hanagh (Anna) were in Aghakilbrack in 1901 census. Your James and Jane were in Aghakilbrack in 1901 too so Anna/Hanagh is probably his sister.
Now the Latter Day Saints IGI lists the following Nugent births:
Peter Nugent and Rose Gallagher (they were from Aghagrania and she was a widow in 1901)
Mary Anne 1865
Anne 1867
Rose 1870
Catherine 1872
Patrick 1876
Catherine and Patrick were living with the widow Rose in 1901.
Edward Nugent and Mary Mulvy. I believe this family was
also from Aghagrania. Mary, a widow, was living with her son Francis and his familyin 1901.
Francis 1864
Bridget 1868
Hannah 1871
Thomas Nugent and Margaret McRann
James Joseph 1872
Margaret 1873
I do not know which townland.
Patrick Nugent and Honor Campbell
Elizabeth 1869
Ellen 1871
Joseph 1873
Don't know the townland.
James Nugent and Ellen Conroy
Henry 1866
Don't know the townland.
One thing to remember with these records. The church records for Drumshanbo don't start until about 1864 or so. Any records from before that would be from another church, quite probably one of the churches in Kiltubbrid.
www.ireland.com also lists some baptisms for Nugents. This only shows the first name and year. The first one was in 1849. They do show Neugent: Henry in 1896 and Thomas Patrick in 1898 (both from Aghakilbrack).
One more Nugent mention...a Margaret Nugent was a sponsor for Mathew Doyle born in 1839 to Andrew Doyle and Mary Scollin of Corrachoosaun townland. This birth was recorded in Fenagh parish church records. The Doyles lilved on both sides of the Kiltubbrid/Fenagh parish border not too far from Aghakilbrack. This was interesting to me because this Andrew Doyle and his daughter Mary born in 1841 also emigrated to Danbury Connecticut during the famine years. He remarried a few years later. Mary married a Francis Scollin from, of course, County Leitrim.
Finally, there is a Nugent tombstone in the Drumshanbo cemetery:
Patrick Nugent died 1934 age 59
His wife, Bridget O'Brien d. 1955 age 81
son Patrick J. d 1921 age 12
Bridget Rose d 1990
Thomas John d. 1990
Peter d. 1987
I think this family is from Aghagrania.
And in 1901 a John Nugent age 37 was a stone mason living as a boarder in Carrick on Shannon.
I hope that some of this information will help you track down your family. If you should uncover any additional informaton, I'd be interested in whatever you find.
Karen
Nugents of Lietrim - Thanks!!
Karen, thanks for all the Nugent info. Now I'm certain that the name was spelled "Neugent" for my grandfather Henry b. 1896 in Aghaklibrack. This town name comes up for Henry's maternal grandparents the McGoverns (mom Jane) as well. Is there any site that will give birth parents names too? I tried looking up Rom. Catholic churches in the area-very confusing. But armed with this info I will surely try again!
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Karen Elias
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- Location: Flanders New Jersey
If you want to search for birth parents in Kiltubbrid, try Latter Day Saints (www.familysearch.org). They have a microfilm of vital records for both churches (St Bridgid's in Drumcong and St. Joseph's in Rantogue Glebe) in Kiltubbrid. St Joseph's is just a few townlands away from Aghakilbrack.
Baptisms date from 181-1874, 1880-1924
Marriages from 1841-1873, 1883-1922
Deaths 1847-1873
The number of the film is 1279223. This should show you not only the parents but also sponsors at baptisms and witnessses at weddings.
I don't have the numbers for the tithe film or for the cancelled land books film. They would help you track the land from Henry in Griffiths up into the twentieth century. You see every time the land changes hands (date and name).
Tithe would show the name of the property holder in the 1830s.
You can also order the 1911 census film from LDS. The number for Aghakilbrack is 1936785.
I'm sure you've found James the father and both Henry and James his sons going through Ellis island. The one piece of information that might help you is the fact that Henry stated he was an American Citizen based on his father's naturalization papers...dated 1888 in Worcester Mass. You can contact the National Archives in Waltham Mass and they will send you a copy of his papers. When we did this a few years ago, the cost was just $10. It appears that father James went back and forth between Ireland and the US. I found him arriving in 1906. He was back in Ireland when his son James came several years later.
To become a US citizen requires a 5 year residency. Since he got his papers in January 1888, he must have been here from late 1882 on. I checked Ancestry for Nugents in Waltham directories for that time period and also in 1880 census and there were quite a few. There were several James Nugents listed in the directories but not the 1880 census. That might be worth looking into also if you haven't done that yet.
Finally, the last name of your Henry could have been spelled either Nugent or Neugent depending on who was writing it down. The name was written as Nugent in the 1901 census.
Good luck in your search. Please share what you find.
Karen
Baptisms date from 181-1874, 1880-1924
Marriages from 1841-1873, 1883-1922
Deaths 1847-1873
The number of the film is 1279223. This should show you not only the parents but also sponsors at baptisms and witnessses at weddings.
I don't have the numbers for the tithe film or for the cancelled land books film. They would help you track the land from Henry in Griffiths up into the twentieth century. You see every time the land changes hands (date and name).
Tithe would show the name of the property holder in the 1830s.
You can also order the 1911 census film from LDS. The number for Aghakilbrack is 1936785.
I'm sure you've found James the father and both Henry and James his sons going through Ellis island. The one piece of information that might help you is the fact that Henry stated he was an American Citizen based on his father's naturalization papers...dated 1888 in Worcester Mass. You can contact the National Archives in Waltham Mass and they will send you a copy of his papers. When we did this a few years ago, the cost was just $10. It appears that father James went back and forth between Ireland and the US. I found him arriving in 1906. He was back in Ireland when his son James came several years later.
To become a US citizen requires a 5 year residency. Since he got his papers in January 1888, he must have been here from late 1882 on. I checked Ancestry for Nugents in Waltham directories for that time period and also in 1880 census and there were quite a few. There were several James Nugents listed in the directories but not the 1880 census. That might be worth looking into also if you haven't done that yet.
Finally, the last name of your Henry could have been spelled either Nugent or Neugent depending on who was writing it down. The name was written as Nugent in the 1901 census.
Good luck in your search. Please share what you find.
Karen
Nugents of Lietrim
Karen, again a big "Thank You!!" I'm on the trail right now!!
Nugent, McGovern, McCartin, McCue-Update
Update: I had a McCartin relative contact me!!:D 
!! We are related thru greatgreatgrandfathers, mine James McCartin, his Peter McCartin. My ggrandfather named for this Peter.
gggrandfather James McCartin married Mary McAniff 1872, lived in Drumbad, Ballinamore, county Lietrim. Known as the "Kiltygerry McCartins" for proximity to Kiltygerry-and perhaps older generations lived in Kiltygerry?
.....Now, any info out there for James McCartin b. approx 1840 or a Mary McAniff around same time??
.....Also-greatgrandmother Mary (McCue) McCartin died when grandmother Mary 13 1/2-she was born in June 1904, so Mary (McCue) McCartin died winter of 1917-early 1918. Still cant find any info on her...
!! We are related thru greatgreatgrandfathers, mine James McCartin, his Peter McCartin. My ggrandfather named for this Peter. gggrandfather James McCartin married Mary McAniff 1872, lived in Drumbad, Ballinamore, county Lietrim. Known as the "Kiltygerry McCartins" for proximity to Kiltygerry-and perhaps older generations lived in Kiltygerry?
.....Now, any info out there for James McCartin b. approx 1840 or a Mary McAniff around same time??
.....Also-greatgrandmother Mary (McCue) McCartin died when grandmother Mary 13 1/2-she was born in June 1904, so Mary (McCue) McCartin died winter of 1917-early 1918. Still cant find any info on her...
Nugent, McGovern, McCartin - Scollin connection
Karen Elias-you had kindly sent info on my family-hopefully this info w/be a help to you. In Aug 2005 posting you mentioned "a Margaret Nugent was a sponsor for Mathew Doyle born in 1839 to Andrew Doyle and Mary Scollin of Corrachoosaun townland..... this Andrew Doyle and his daughter Mary born in 1841 also emigrated to Danbury Connecticut during the famine years."
I have notes from rootsweb.com msg board regarding a Mary Scollin listed as a witness to a marriage in Auburn NY. of Michael Lyons & Catherine Lynch. This Mary Scollin was also a sponsor (godparent) to several Lyons children! A relative Thomas Lyons married Sarah McCartin-both from Lietrim area, could it be possible this Mary Scollin was from same area? Please check under "Lyons McCartin" surnames on rootsweb.com or email me & I'll send you the info directly...
I have notes from rootsweb.com msg board regarding a Mary Scollin listed as a witness to a marriage in Auburn NY. of Michael Lyons & Catherine Lynch. This Mary Scollin was also a sponsor (godparent) to several Lyons children! A relative Thomas Lyons married Sarah McCartin-both from Lietrim area, could it be possible this Mary Scollin was from same area? Please check under "Lyons McCartin" surnames on rootsweb.com or email me & I'll send you the info directly...